[Casper] Dual booting Macbooks!!!!

Mon Jun 30 12:20:16 PDT 2008

Pay them what you would for Microsoft, Parallels or Citrix licenses to make a working Mac product. =)

And was the Citrix expert actually someone from Citrix? I find it hard to believe the advice you were given about that product, but I wouldn't be surprised on the price you may have been quoted for it. Microsoft also has things up their sleeve related to Terminal Services I think.

Maintaining dual-boot is probably what you should do as a last resort in my opinion. For the added cost I would do Parallels if you don't need to leverage the native power of the hardware. Managing that many more clients and keeping them secure and up-to-date. I'd think you'd want a single point of update if possible instead of doubling the client base.

We're still working on our dual boot environment because of some really SIMPLE tools an enterprise needs to properly maintain it. Like booting from Windows to Mac via a command line interface so you can script it or schedule it. (and if anyone has a solution for that I'm all eyes) There are lots of other good tools out there for cloning and what not.

Craig

On 6/30/08 2:07 PM, "Thomas Larkin" <tlarki at kckps.org> wrote:

Ironically, Virtual machine licenses like Parallels of VMware Fusion for that many clients is actually more expensive than a 1 year least of windows xp professional.  The developer is willing to pick up most of the tab if we just straight run windows.  Plus they can only guarantee us that it runs on windows, since it has never been heavily tested in virtual environments.

I have used Bombich's tools in the past, and I guess I could just use them again to deploy a dual booting image.  I have about a month to complete this and get it rolled out to 6,000 machines.  So, basically I have the rest of this week to get it working because next week we start mass imaging.

Thomas Larkin
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>>> Tom Welch <tom.welch at venturethree.com> 06/30/08 2:03 PM >>>
Hi Thomas

Could you possibly look at using parallels? I know there is an extra
cost but it would be very easy to push out with Casper. Then you could
either deploy the virtual hd image or a virtual cd image pointing
towards a ghost server to image the virtual machine. And if your
developer is paying :p

I also think you might be able to use apple's net install to deploy
bootcamp. But it might just be the partition. I've not fully looked
into it.

Good luck!
--
Many Thanks
Tom Welch

On 30 Jun 2008, at 18:45, "Thomas Larkin" <tlarki at kckps.org> wrote:

> Guess I should clarify....
>
> The old mac version corrupts the database files on intel macs.  The
> windows version works with out a hitch, hence the need to load
> windows clients on the macs...
>
> Sorry Should have pointed that out to begin with.
>
> Thomas Larkin
> TIS Department
> KCKPS USD500
> tlarki at kckps.org
> cell:  913-449-7589
> office:  913-627-0351
>>>> "Thomas Larkin" <tlarki at kckps.org> 06/30/08 12:36 PM >>>
> The problem is with this software to my knowledge is that it is
> based on older PPC and classic architecture and while it does in
> fact run under Rosetta when it writes results to their database it
> corrupts it.  This is a problem particular to OS X so I think that
> using a PPC emulator or even an API like crossover or perhaps even a
> virtual machine will all be moot.  We have unlimited windows 98
> client and I am installing a virtual machine of it right now via
> virtual box.
>
> We can't pick up a new product because there is no way to migrate
> the database to another technology.  The developer says they promise
> a web based product by 2009, but what does that mean?  All it means
> to me is that this next school year I will be forced to do whatever
> it takes to get this software to work.
>
> This is a known issue and is why the developer offered to pay 90% of
> our one year lease costs of WinXP Pro on 6,000 clients.
>
> I have done this before in iMac labs with Bombich's software and the
> boot camp beta, and it all worked.  However, the 1:1 laptop
> environment is a bit different.  After I get everything up and
> running I got to make sure the machine is still locked down on both
> sides since our students take their machines home, and because the
> FCC and CIPA require us to filter their Internet surfing.
>
> This will be a project indeed.
>
> Thomas Larkin
> TIS Department
> KCKPS USD500
> tlarki at kckps.org
> cell:  913-449-7589
> office:  913-627-0351
>>>> "Smith, William" <william.smith at merrillcorp.com> 06/30/08 12:24
>>>> PM >>>
> On 6/30/08 12:14 PM, "Thomas Larkin" <tlarki at kckps.org> wrote:
>
>> Due to powers that be it looks like I must load Windows on all of
>> our Macbooks
>> for one piece of software.  This is a critical piece of software
>> that our
>> users need and there is no alternative, for a long story short.
>> So, the
>> software company that is in question is offering to pay for 90% of
>> the costs
>> for windows licenses for one year until they migrate their product
>> to a web
>> based one.
>
> Any possibility at all that this could work in CrossOver Mac? I know
> not
> every Windows application works but if it does work for your
> application
> then it means less overhead.
>
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>
> bill
>
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