[Casper] Dual booting Macbooks!!!!

Mon Jun 30 12:46:11 PDT 2008

FYI  I run roughly 250 Mac clients with line of business apps over Citrix
every day.  The end users¹ only complaints are that they have to use buggy
Windows apps.  The apps work as well as they would on a Windows box.

I would be sure to hound the vendor and make sure they understand that ³web
based² means ³based on open standards².  Too often in corporate situations,
I¹ve been promised a ³web based² tool, only to find out that it requires IE,
Active X, or some other MS proprietary and therefore Windows-only
technology.

Good luck.

On 6/30/08 3:39 PM, "Ernst, Craig S." <ERNSTCS at uwec.edu> wrote:

> That was going to be another suggestion, if they do a web based product so
> again there¹s only one point of update and more likely easier to make
> cross-platform, aside from the server it¹s hosted on.
> 
> Good Luck, Tom!
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> On 6/30/08 2:37 PM, "Thomas Larkin" <tlarki at kckps.org> wrote:
> 
>> They already gave us a huge discount and my boss said keep it and put it
>> towards your web based product.  I would love to deploy virtual machines but
>> I am not in charge of money nor paying for things, and we don't know if a
>> virtual machine will work.  We do know 100% that windows will work.
>> 
>> thanks for your guys input
>> 
>> Thomas Larkin
>> TIS Department
>> KCKPS USD500
>> tlarki at kckps.org
>> cell:  913-449-7589
>> office:  913-627-0351
>>>>> >>> "Ernst, Craig S." <ERNSTCS at uwec.edu> 06/30/08 2:21 PM >>>
>> Pay them what you would for Microsoft, Parallels or Citrix licenses to make a
>> working Mac product. =)
>> 
>> And was the Citrix expert actually someone from Citrix? I find it hard to
>> believe the advice you were given about that product, but I wouldn't be
>> surprised on the price you may have been quoted for it. Microsoft also has
>> things up their sleeve related to Terminal Services I think.
>> 
>> Maintaining dual-boot is probably what you should do as a last resort in my
>> opinion. For the added cost I would do Parallels if you don't need to
>> leverage the native power of the hardware. Managing that many more clients
>> and keeping them secure and up-to-date. I'd think you'd want a single point
>> of update if possible instead of doubling the client base.
>> 
>> We're still working on our dual boot environment because of some really
>> SIMPLE tools an enterprise needs to properly maintain it. Like booting from
>> Windows to Mac via a command line interface so you can script it or schedule
>> it. (and if anyone has a solution for that I'm all eyes) There are lots of
>> other good tools out there for cloning and what not.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> On 6/30/08 2:07 PM, "Thomas Larkin" <tlarki at kckps.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Ironically, Virtual machine licenses like Parallels of VMware Fusion for that
>> many clients is actually more expensive than a 1 year least of windows xp
>> professional.  The developer is willing to pick up most of the tab if we just
>> straight run windows.  Plus they can only guarantee us that it runs on
>> windows, since it has never been heavily tested in virtual environments.
>> 
>> I have used Bombich's tools in the past, and I guess I could just use them
>> again to deploy a dual booting image.  I have about a month to complete this
>> and get it rolled out to 6,000 machines.  So, basically I have the rest of
>> this week to get it working because next week we start mass imaging.
>> 
>> Thomas Larkin
>> TIS Department
>> KCKPS USD500
>> tlarki at kckps.org
>> cell:  913-449-7589
>> office:  913-627-0351
>>>>> >>> Tom Welch <tom.welch at venturethree.com> 06/30/08 2:03 PM >>>
>> Hi Thomas
>> 
>> Could you possibly look at using parallels? I know there is an extra
>> cost but it would be very easy to push out with Casper. Then you could
>> either deploy the virtual hd image or a virtual cd image pointing
>> towards a ghost server to image the virtual machine. And if your
>> developer is paying :p
>> 
>> I also think you might be able to use apple's net install to deploy
>> bootcamp. But it might just be the partition. I've not fully looked
>> into it.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> --
>> Many Thanks
>> Tom Welch
>> 
>> On 30 Jun 2008, at 18:45, "Thomas Larkin" <tlarki at kckps.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> > Guess I should clarify....
>>> >
>>> > The old mac version corrupts the database files on intel macs.  The
>>> > windows version works with out a hitch, hence the need to load
>>> > windows clients on the macs...
>>> >
>>> > Sorry Should have pointed that out to begin with.
>>> >
>>> > Thomas Larkin
>>> > TIS Department
>>> > KCKPS USD500
>>> > tlarki at kckps.org
>>> > cell:  913-449-7589
>>> > office:  913-627-0351
>>>>>> >>>> "Thomas Larkin" <tlarki at kckps.org> 06/30/08 12:36 PM >>>
>>> > The problem is with this software to my knowledge is that it is
>>> > based on older PPC and classic architecture and while it does in
>>> > fact run under Rosetta when it writes results to their database it
>>> > corrupts it.  This is a problem particular to OS X so I think that
>>> > using a PPC emulator or even an API like crossover or perhaps even a
>>> > virtual machine will all be moot.  We have unlimited windows 98
>>> > client and I am installing a virtual machine of it right now via
>>> > virtual box.
>>> >
>>> > We can't pick up a new product because there is no way to migrate
>>> > the database to another technology.  The developer says they promise
>>> > a web based product by 2009, but what does that mean?  All it means
>>> > to me is that this next school year I will be forced to do whatever
>>> > it takes to get this software to work.
>>> >
>>> > This is a known issue and is why the developer offered to pay 90% of
>>> > our one year lease costs of WinXP Pro on 6,000 clients.
>>> >
>>> > I have done this before in iMac labs with Bombich's software and the
>>> > boot camp beta, and it all worked.  However, the 1:1 laptop
>>> > environment is a bit different.  After I get everything up and
>>> > running I got to make sure the machine is still locked down on both
>>> > sides since our students take their machines home, and because the
>>> > FCC and CIPA require us to filter their Internet surfing.
>>> >
>>> > This will be a project indeed.
>>> >
>>> > Thomas Larkin
>>> > TIS Department
>>> > KCKPS USD500
>>> > tlarki at kckps.org
>>> > cell:  913-449-7589
>>> > office:  913-627-0351
>>>>>> >>>> "Smith, William" <william.smith at merrillcorp.com> 06/30/08 12:24
>>>>>> >>>> PM >>>
>>> > On 6/30/08 12:14 PM, "Thomas Larkin" <tlarki at kckps.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>>> >> Due to powers that be it looks like I must load Windows on all of
>>>> >> our Macbooks
>>>> >> for one piece of software.  This is a critical piece of software
>>>> >> that our
>>>> >> users need and there is no alternative, for a long story short.
>>>> >> So, the
>>>> >> software company that is in question is offering to pay for 90% of
>>>> >> the costs
>>>> >> for windows licenses for one year until they migrate their product
>>>> >> to a web
>>>> >> based one.
>>> >
>>> > Any possibility at all that this could work in CrossOver Mac? I know
>>> > not
>>> > every Windows application works but if it does work for your
>>> > application
>>> > then it means less overhead.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > bill
>>> >
>>> > William M. Smith, Technical Analyst
>>> > MCS IT
>>> > Merrill Communications, LLC
>>> > (651) 632-1492
>>> >
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